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If you know of additional information or any errors, please help us as well as others reading from our site by writing in to us. Background of Burny Both Burny and Fernandes are the same company. Fernandes started off first in the 70's making Fender replicas. The brand Burny was birth later by Fernandes as the division that made Gibson replicas. To date, both Fernandes and Burny are still making guitars just like their Tokai counterparts. When it began in the 70's, there were no problems with copyright issues.
This saga only surfaced a decade later in the mid 80's when Fender and Gibson felt that their empire was threatened. To avoid the copyright war, Fernandes began to make changes to certain parts of their design like truss rod cover, shape etc.
Changes to Fender Copies These modification taken on by Fernandes extended to both the Strat and Tele copies. After the lawsuit threats emerged, Fernandes most obvious change was to their headstock shapes - it was changed completely. The rare old Fender copies are extremely detailed, though no longer in production, can still be found in the vintage market. These vintage copies were commonly known as the “Revival” series. This name was given because they were essentially reviving the old classic Fenders. The headstock logo was design such that from a distance it looked just like a vintage Fender. The saddles were stamped, instead of the word 'Fender' the 'F.S.R.G.'
Alphabets took its place. These alphabets stand for Fernandes Sound and Research Group. Gibson Copies For the Burnys, the LP models were given the name “Super Grade” instead of “Les Paul.” The wording were crafted to look just the words 'Les Paul'.
If you are not familiar with the 'Super Grade' series, you may mistaken the words as 'Luper Grade' due to it's attempt to model the words 'Les Paul'. For the Gibson copies, fortunately the most part of the design stayed the same. E.g., angle ratio between body and neck, curves on the maple top, and even the open book design on the headstock. The Burny Super Grade Les Paul’s have been reported by many recording and gigging professionals as “the best” clone of the real classic 50’s and 60’s Les Paul’s. They say the feel is identical and especially enjoy how Burny focused on making really fat necks on their Standards. Some go as far as claiming that these copies matches neck to neck with a vintage Les Paul - which cost around US$30,000. The Different Burny Series Burny models that with RLG-XX.
The XX were numbers that indicated the guitar series. The bigger number means the better the guitar in terms of sound and finishing qualities. Take the LP Standard copy for example, there are the RLG-45, RLG-55, RLG-70, RLG-90 etc, the best being the 'Super Grade' model made in Japan. However, do note that there are models that are made in Korea.
I wouldn't fault the Korean version since they are much cheaper in comparison to those made in Japan. However, if you would just compare the 2 makes in terms of quality, the Korean version does not come close to the Japanese version.
There are also the Burny FLG-XX series. These are known to be older versions of Burny - pre RLG era.
An estimate timeline of their birth would be early 80s and before. About Burny and Fernandes pickups Amongst all the different lawsuit copies, Burny and Fernandes have the best pickups. Fernandes had their L-5000, L-5000 Vintage II, and L-5001 single coil pickups, while the Burny model Les Paul’s got the famous VH-1 pickups, that have extraordinary tone. The only reason why they have come this far in their tone is because of the timeless effort they have put in R&D. Serialization The older Fernandes guitars do have serial numbers on occasion, and can be found on the neck plates of the Stratocasters of the Revival series, but otherwise, Burny and Fernandes didn’t often use serial numbers. Dating a Burny or Fernandes can be loosely done by looking at the truss rod cover. The Gibson bell-shaped covers are found on 1970’s to early 1980’s models.
The bell-shape cover with thin white band and ridges sticking out from the side are found on mid-1980s to early 1990’s models. The late 90's model to present will have the palace-shape and 3 screws truss rod covers. Burny Today As mentioned, Burny is still making these guitars in Japan.
However, some of these are manufactured in Korea and China. Most believe that the Korean/China made Burny is identified through a 3 screws truss rod covers. However we have found that new Japanese made Burny comes with 3 screws truss rod covers too. So how do we tell? As far as we have researched, the difference is that the Japanese models have long tennon - this can be seen in the joint construction when you remove the neck pickup. Between the Korean and China made pieces, many believe the Korean model is slightly above the notch.
But this is unproven. The Japanese made pieces are still the models to go for. The old “lawsuit” style models are very rare to find nowadays, and are highly collectible. Even in Japan, prices are double of what they were 2 years ago due to collector interest all over the world. Warning I have seen on a couple of occasions where some sellers try to modify a Korean version and claim it to be a Japanese model. So if you are buying from the internet, be very careful. Especially when the 2 make can only be differentiated from the truss rod cover it is hard to tell by just photos.
I had a similar problem deciphering dates/aging when looking for an MIJ Greco, the best thing to do is use the Serial number if possible, and/or pickup cavities and neck tenon length. NEVER buy something solely on the basis of the truss rod cover, these things are so easy to change it can't be taken as valid provenance. I'd post any questions you have up on this forum, its small but has a few very knowledgable members who should be able to help you out: BTW I was pretty careful and ended up with a stunning '84 Greco LP Custom for really good money. The MIJ LP's are all amazing guitars. Well, I checked the link you sent me. It's hard to date them from the look of the truss rod cover because it could have been changed.
The cover doesn't look like an early 80's one because it has only one layer while it should be one black layer over a white layer (plus the bell shape of course). What I can tell for sure is that the guitar is not an early 80's one because of the diamond logo on the headstock. An early 80's one should look like this: See the logo on the headstock? It doesn't necessary mean that the guitar is bad but it's not the more sought after model.
I think Michael Amott has a 90's model (x-mass tree shaped truss rod cover): I hope it helps. Well, Maurizio, this one looks more authentic. Still not the double layer truss rod cover but the diamond logo is the old one. I don't think 500/600 euros is too much but that's my personal appreciation. It seems to be in a really good shape. About the pickup cover, it's usually soldered so if it changed, chances are that the pickup was replaced. They are the weak spot anyway.
They sound really good but some of them tend to become microphonic and trebly with age (like most 30+ years old pickup). @Joe, the main problem with Greco is the huge range of models.
I've played fantastic ones and not so great ones. 'Super Real' models are insanely good but damn expensive nowaday. Same thing with the older Tokai guitars. If you have a chance to try a 'Les Paul Reborn', you'll be amazed. Burny, you seem to be the MIJ-expert here, huh Last year I read every single article about MIJ-guitars that I could find. I also checked out the various brands.
Tokais and Orvilles seemed to be the most 'perfect' copies - but they seemed to be ridiculously expensive. Is the Les Paul Reborn a Tokai-model? I really want to check out the Edwards Laquer Taste Series.
Nitro-finish, original specs, slightly 'modernized'. Seems to be perfect for me. If they wouldn't be THAT expensive over here, I would buy an original Gibson in a split-second. The wine-red Custom makes me horny.
Click to expand.Sexy. I like the ebony frett board. Today I was at the guitar shop that I bought my Schecter C1 from, about two years ago now.
At the time they had an old (not sure exactly which year) Burny LP. Sagemcom tools telnet. It played beautifully, but was abit beat up, so I let it go and went for the new Schecter.
Today when I went in with my mate to get a case for his ax, I was talking to the guy who worked there and that Burny came up in discussion. He told me that it was a 'Randy Roads LP Custom' Burny, and that with me not buying it, another guy picked it up, had the shop fit a new, higher nut and raise the action so that he could turn it into a slide guitar. I felt like kicking myself.
Click to expand.Is he sure it's 80's? (early or later)?
What is the headstock like (open book, Diamond or another MOP inlay?). How is the weight? Any idea what type of pickups are in it? If it's very early 80's it might be a gem, but it's hard to tell. Many of those did not get a serial number from what I understand. I would get as much info as you possibly can and post on here and on mylespaul.com for opinions. $775 might be a tad high, but it depends on overall condition as well.
Any haggle room? Many excellent Burnys won't have a serial number. My Super Grade (probably an 85 or so) happens to have a 'serial number' stamp in the front pup cavity, but that seems to be a bit odd since everything else dates it to mid-eighties.
It's a great guitar and the good ones do in fact sell for decent money, albeit less than comparable Tokais and Grecos. I'd say that price is not bad considering you could spend $600-650 for similar guitars ten times on ebay before you found one you liked. That sounds like a load of fun. If you like the guitar, an extra $100 doesn't seem a steep price to pay for the certainty. The folks on the Tokai forum and the info at the following link should help. Up until 1982 the FLG´s have serial numbers stamped on the back of the headstock. The first cipher usually gives the manufacturing year.
From 1982 until 1990-92 no numbers then numbers again, but in the pickup cavities (front or back) SIZE=+1 80474 a 1978 FLG 70/SIZE SIZE=+1 8000437 a 1978 tokai number on a 1979 Burny FLG 60/SIZE SIZE=+1 03810 a 1980 FLG/SIZE SIZE=+1 00312 a 1980/81 FLG/SIZE SIZE=+1 44411 a 1994 RLG/SIZE SIZE=+1 51906 a 1996 RLG /SIZE.
A local store has a Burny SG, looks like a 61 Reissue with the smaller half guard. It's got it's fair share of dings an scrapes, and the frets have some real play on them but plenty left, I think. There is no serial number on back, and from what info I've been able to dig up that is not uncommon but the norm with Burny.
The price is $500. Is there any way I can make sure that it's definitely a MIJ Burny, as opposed to a MIK Burny? It plays nice, and I'm real interested but I don't want to spend that amount on a Korean Burny.
The store owner just said he got it in a trade-in and doesn't know the origin. And also, how does $500 sound for a very played Burny SG 61 Reissue, if indeed it's MIJ? Thanks for any help. Burny's can be pretty difficult to determine their country of origin. Generally though, the older 70s to early 80's models sport the Gibson style trussrod cover.
Mid 80s to early 90s models have the modified Gibson style cover like this one. Late 90s to present have a 3 screw truss rod cover as do the MIC and MIK models. My suggestion would be to unscrew the cover to make sure there aren't 3 screw holes for the cover. Here are a couple of articles that may help. Don't know if the price of the SGs have gone up, but I purchased my 80s SG for $350 off Ebay a couple of years ago.
I've owned several small guard Burny SG's. As a rule I don't buy any MIJ guitars without serial numbers. Pretty sure both of mine, an 86 an 87 had the long tenon. Regular Burny pups- not the VH1's. Nice guitars but the necks were a little too wonky for me. As a rule the MIJ's will have a 2 screw TRC. Burny (Fernandes) never stopped making guitars.
You can buy a brand new one in Japan but they are MIC. Not bad though.My advise? Go over to the Japanaxe forum and post. You'll get an answer really fast. I was always told the no serial number guitars were 90's. But who knows?
That's half the fun of collecting MIJ guitars, most of the 'history' is really hard to prove. Burny are still making guitars in Japan.
Allegedly the quality isn't on par with the older models or even other Japanese brands like Tokai. Electronics and pickups can help to identify certain eras as well. Mid 80s models had brass baseplates and grey hookup wire for the pickups with either green or yellow ceramic caps.
I've been told that Burny didn't use serial numbers during the mid 80s to early 90s. Serial numbers were stamped on headstocks prior to the '82 or '83 and again during the mid 90s. Is also a great resource for Japanese made guitars. I went into a guitar center and they had this Burny saying it was a 'vintage' 80's model, Felt OK (needs new strings) but I wasn't 100 percent it was from the 80's, seems newer. Priced pretty cheap as it had a couple finish cracks on the neck, Was wondering if anyone had some insight on it.
Here are some pics. Wiring and no name pickups look like it could be China/Korea. They 'assured' me that the vintage team looked at pictures of it and said it was a vintage 80's model made in japan, doesn't look it to me and from the info I gathered the FG serial numbers are all made in China. Anyone care to shed some light on this? /URL/IMG /URL/IMG /URL/IMG /URL/IMG /URL/IMG.
I went into a guitar center and they had this Burny saying it was a 'vintage' 80's model, Felt OK (needs new strings) but I wasn't 100 percent it was from the 80's, seems newer. Priced pretty cheap as it had a couple finish cracks on the neck, Was wondering if anyone had some insight on it. Here are some pics. Wiring and no name pickups look like it could be China/Korea. They 'assured' me that the vintage team looked at pictures of it and said it was a vintage 80's model made in japan, doesn't look it to me and from the info I gathered the FG serial numbers are all made in China. Anyone care to shed some light on this?
/URL/IMG /URL/IMG /URL/IMG /URL/IMG /URL/IMG. I didn't know they made Super Grades in China, but I agree that is most likely not MIJ. I owned a MIJ Burny LP style with no serial number bought from Japan and it was very different from my Fuji-Gen guitars. If I'm honest it wasn't up to the same level, however it did pay attention to details of early Gibson models that my Fuji-Gens didn't like bigger necks and pickups and sort of over all feel IMO. That said I would compare my old Burny LP to today's Epiphone Limited Edition guitars- they're very good and nail the most important things but don't really feel like custom shop guitars, and we shouldn't expect them to.
The Burnys with the serial numbers were most likely made to higher specifications. This is all my own personal experience.
Tokai is like gibson, they make guitars from $200 in china, to $5000 in japan. Edwards is the 'mid end' brand for ESP. They are similar to a high end agile in spec.
I think they are currently machined in china, and assembled and finished in japan. Navigator is their top end brand, which is similar in spec and price to a high end gibson or tokai. Bacchus has several lines. Most are high end boutique guitars costing similar to gibsons or more.
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They also have a chinese made low end line though, priced from $150 and up. Burny is fernandes, the stuff they curently makes seems to be mid to low price with similar specs to agile or edwards (veneer tops on the LP's etc) but i dont really know much about them. Basically what im saying is, just like gibson or agile, the name is irelevant without knowing exactly which instrument you are looking.
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I like bacchus myself for their hand made stuff, because its usually not just the same old gibson or fender clones. Originally posted by ihavenofish tokai is like gibson, they make guitars from $200 in china, to $5000 in japan.
Edwards is the 'mid end' brand for ESP. They are similar to a high end agile in spec.
I think they are currently machined in china, and assembled and finished in japan. Navigator is their top end brand, which is similar in spec and price to a high end gibson or tokai.
Bacchus has several lines. Most are high end boutique guitars costing similar to gibsons or more.
They also have a chinese made low end line though, priced from $150 and up. Burny is fernandes, the stuff they curently makes seems to be mid to low price with similar specs to agile or edwards (veneer tops on the LP's etc) but i dont really know much about them. Basically what im saying is, just like gibson or agile, the name is irelevant without knowing exactly which instrument you are looking. I like bacchus myself for their hand made stuff, because its usually not just the same old gibson or fender clones. Try to go for the japanese 70s/80s 'lawsuit' era stuff if you can. Burny, Orville, Greco, Tokai, Edwards, even some Aria stuff from that time frame was mostly made in the FUJIGEN Gakki factory or the MATSUMOKU factory.
Two legendary Gibson killers. As previously stated though, these brand names have been slapped on plenty of guitars ranging from high end to low end, so try to research each model you are looking at on a one by one basis. There's no easy way to do it, most of the serial number systems are all wacky and there's just as much misinformation out there on the subject as there is correct info.
You just gotta dive in and explore if you wanna find some true gems. It'll be worth your while though, some really fantastic instruments await you. Burny's are great. The Japan Epi's are great.
Edwards are my favorite. I've owned a total of six as of this writing and all were flawless guitars. They come with great, name brand hardware (Gotoh and Seymour Duncan), the more expensive models come with CTS pots and PIO caps.
Never had a Bacchus though I would love too. Navigators are about the best you can get, but you'll pay $3,000 USD for the privilege of owning one. All Japanese guitars are going up in value due to strong YEN against the USD. Click to expand.its a nitro top coat over poly and only on specific models. And i suppose youve had a top end agile and edwards in your hands to compare?
The hign end agiles are something of a different animal to the typical al-2000 and 3000. Edwards does however have one of the only carved top es 335 models and its quite pretty.
Its near $1800 though. This is the whole point of what i wrote. The name does not imply anything as there is a massive range of spec and quality in the products by each company.
Anyhow japanese market epiphones is a good one to mention cheeseflavour. Not to be confused with japanese made epiphone elitists and such.
Japanese market epis are more or less 'real' gibsons with epi written on the headstock often with some funky specs and colours you cant get here. Id actually stay away from the supposed 'lawsuit' stuff from the 70's and 80's though. Its looked on with rose coloured glasses i find - alot of them were comeplete crap with bent plywood tops and other dodgy specs. Someone offered me an ibanez SG 'lawsuit' once raving about how it was japanese and the best thing ever. It was junk, no better than a bolt on SX in workmanship and materials. They have collector value sure, but werent necessarily great instruments. Orvilles for example have photo flame tops that often fade, split and crack over time with humidity changes.
Most of these guitars are simply not on par with what you get today for less money. Get id a bacchus hand made series if i was looking for an upper end japanese 'lp' stle guitar and didnt want to be disappointed.
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They do nice oil finishes too in addition to the traditional nitro. Click to expand.its a nitro top coat over poly and only on specific models. And i suppose youve had a top end agile and edwards in your hands to compare?
The hign end agiles are something of a different animal to the typical al-2000 and 3000. Edwards does however have one of the only carved top es 335 models and its quite pretty. Its near $1800 though. This is the whole point of what i wrote.
The name does not imply anything as there is a massive range of spec and quality in the products by each company. Anyhow japanese market epiphones is a good one to mention cheeseflavour. Not to be confused with japanese made epiphone elitists and such. Japanese market epis are more or less 'real' gibsons with epi written on the headstock often with some funky specs and colours you cant get here. Id actually stay away from the supposed 'lawsuit' stuff from the 70's and 80's though. Its looked on with rose coloured glasses i find - alot of them were comeplete crap with bent plywood tops and other dodgy specs.
Someone offered me an ibanez SG 'lawsuit' once raving about how it was japanese and the best thing ever. It was junk, no better than a bolt on SX in workmanship and materials. They have collector value sure, but werent necessarily great instruments. Orvilles for example have photo flame tops that often fade, split and crack over time with humidity changes. Most of these guitars are simply not on par with what you get today for less money. Get id a bacchus hand made series if i was looking for an upper end japanese 'lp' stle guitar and didnt want to be disappointed. They do nice oil finishes too in addition to the traditional nitro.
Click to expand.its a nitro top coat over poly and only on specific models. And i suppose youve had a top end agile and edwards in your hands to compare? The hign end agiles are something of a different animal to the typical al-2000 and 3000. Edwards does however have one of the only carved top es 335 models and its quite pretty. Its near $1800 though.
This is the whole point of what i wrote. The name does not imply anything as there is a massive range of spec and quality in the products by each company. Anyhow japanese market epiphones is a good one to mention cheeseflavour. Not to be confused with japanese made epiphone elitists and such.
Japanese market epis are more or less 'real' gibsons with epi written on the headstock often with some funky specs and colours you cant get here. Id actually stay away from the supposed 'lawsuit' stuff from the 70's and 80's though. Its looked on with rose coloured glasses i find - alot of them were comeplete crap with bent plywood tops and other dodgy specs. Someone offered me an ibanez SG 'lawsuit' once raving about how it was japanese and the best thing ever. It was junk, no better than a bolt on SX in workmanship and materials. They have collector value sure, but werent necessarily great instruments.
Orvilles for example have photo flame tops that often fade, split and crack over time with humidity changes. Most of these guitars are simply not on par with what you get today for less money. Get id a bacchus hand made series if i was looking for an upper end japanese 'lp' stle guitar and didnt want to be disappointed. They do nice oil finishes too in addition to the traditional nitro. Click to expand.its a nitro top coat over poly and only on specific models. And i suppose youve had a top end agile and edwards in your hands to compare? The hign end agiles are something of a different animal to the typical al-2000 and 3000.
Edwards does however have one of the only carved top es 335 models and its quite pretty. Its near $1800 though. This is the whole point of what i wrote. The name does not imply anything as there is a massive range of spec and quality in the products by each company. Anyhow japanese market epiphones is a good one to mention cheeseflavour. Not to be confused with japanese made epiphone elitists and such.
Japanese market epis are more or less 'real' gibsons with epi written on the headstock often with some funky specs and colours you cant get here. Id actually stay away from the supposed 'lawsuit' stuff from the 70's and 80's though. Its looked on with rose coloured glasses i find - alot of them were comeplete crap with bent plywood tops and other dodgy specs. Someone offered me an ibanez SG 'lawsuit' once raving about how it was japanese and the best thing ever. It was junk, no better than a bolt on SX in workmanship and materials. They have collector value sure, but werent necessarily great instruments.
Orvilles for example have photo flame tops that often fade, split and crack over time with humidity changes. Most of these guitars are simply not on par with what you get today for less money. Get id a bacchus hand made series if i was looking for an upper end japanese 'lp' stle guitar and didnt want to be disappointed. They do nice oil finishes too in addition to the traditional nitro.
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